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Priapism
01-29-2009, 06:59 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/28/nyregion/28daba.html?_r=2&em

http://dabagirls.com/

It’s the Economy, Girlfriend

The economic crisis came home to 27-year-old Megan Petrus early last year when her boyfriend of eight months, a derivatives trader for a major bank, proved to be more concerned about helping a laid-off colleague than comforting Ms. Petrus after her father had a heart attack.

For Christine Cameron, the recession became real when the financial analyst she had been dating for about a year would get drunk and disappear while they were out together, then accuse her the next day of being the one who had absconded.

Dawn Spinner Davis, 26, a beauty writer, said the downward-trending graphs began to make sense when the man she married on Nov. 1, a 28-year-old private wealth manager, stopped playing golf, once his passion. “One of his best friends told me that my job is now to keep him calm and keep him from dying at the age of 35,” Ms. Davis said. “It’s not what I signed up for.”

They shared their sad stories the other night at an informal gathering of Dating a Banker Anonymous, a support group founded in November to help women cope with the inevitable relationship fallout from, say, the collapse of Lehman Brothers or the Dow’s shedding 777 points in a single day, as it did on Sept. 29.

In addition to meeting once or twice weekly for brunch or drinks at a bar or restaurant, the group has a blog, billed as “free from the scrutiny of feminists,” that invites women to join “if your monthly Bergdorf’s allowance has been halved and bottle service has all but disappeared from your life.”

Theirs is not the typical 12-step program.

Step 1: Slip into a dress and heels. Step 2: Sip a cocktail and wait your turn to talk. Step 3: Pour your heart out. Repeat as needed.

About 30 women, generally in their mid- to late-20s, regularly post to the Web site or attend meetings.

“We do make light of everything on the blog and it’s very tongue in cheek,” said Laney Crowell, 27, who parted ways with a corporate real estate investor last month after a tumultuous relationship. “But it all stems out of really serious and heartfelt situations.”

When she introduces other Wall Street widows to the group, Ms. Crowell added, “They call their friends and say, ‘You’re not going to believe what I just read. It’s going to make you feel so much better.’ ”

Once it was seen as a blessing in certain circles to have a wealthy, powerful partner who would leave you alone with the credit card while he was busy brokering deals. Now, many Wall Street wives, girlfriends and, increasingly, exes, are living the curse of cutbacks in nanny hours and reservations at Masa or Megu. And that credit card? Canceled.

Raoul Felder, the Manhattan divorce lawyer, said that cases involving financiers always stack up as the economy starts to slip, because layoffs and shrinking bonuses place stress on relationships — and, he said, because “there aren’t funds or time for mistresses any more.”

(One such mistress wrote on the blog that when she pouted about not having been taken on a trip lately, her married man explained that with money so tight, his wife had taken to checking up on his accounts.)

Harriet Pappenheim, a psychotherapist at Park Avenue Relationship Consultants who wrote “For Richer or Poorer,” a 2006 book on money in marriage, said that the repercussions could be acute for Wall Street wunderkinds who define their identities through their job titles and the size of their bonuses.

“It’s a big blow to their egos and to their self-esteem,” she said of the endless stream of economic bad news, “and they may take it out on their partners and children.”

Ms. Petrus, a lawyer, and Ms. Crowell, who works for a fashion Web site, started the support group when they realized that they were facing similar problems in their relationships with bankers last fall.

“We put two and two together and figured out that it was the economy, not us,” Ms. Petrus recalled at a recent meeting in the lobby bar of the Bowery Hotel. “When guys in banking are going through this, they can’t handle a relationship.”(She and her boyfriend split up last year; he declined to discuss it.)

Many of the women said that as the economic crisis struck last fall, they began tracking the markets during the day to predict the moods that the men they loved might be in later. On big news days, like when the first proposed government bailout failed in Congress, or when Lehman went belly-up, they knew that plans to see their partners would be put off.

“I was like, ‘O.K. I signed up for that, it’s fine,’ “ said Ms. Cameron. “But all of a sudden,” she said, her boyfriend “couldn’t focus. If he stayed over he’d be up at some random hour checking his BlackBerry, Bloomberg and CNBC.”

Ms. Cameron said that she and her boyfriend broke up at the end of November but that they still saw each other occasionally.

One frequent topic among the group is the link between the boardroom and the bedroom. “There’s actually the type of person who has a bad day on the trading floor and they want to have sex more,” Ms. Spinner Davis offered as she sipped a vodka gimlet, declining to say how she knew.

Ms. Petrus chimed in.

“If you’re lucky you’ll get that guy,” she said, not revealing whether she considered herself lucky. “Middle-case scenario: It gets relegated to the weekends.

“Worst-case scenario,” she began, and then took another sip of her drink.

Brandon Davis, Ms. Spinner Davis’s husband of almost three months, acknowledged in a recent telephone interview that his new job was “certainly more stressful and there’s certainly more pressure” because of the economy, but disagreed that such stresses had affected his home life. He did not want to talk about golf.

Some women in the group said the men in their lives had gone from being aloof and unattainable to unattractively needy and clinging. Others complained of being ignored — one, who called herself A.P., wrote on the blog that three weeks had passed without her boyfriend “asking a single question” about her life. Another wrote, fearfully, that her beau had told her to make a list of their favorite New York restaurants before the bad market forced a move to the Midwest.

“Next time you are stressing over some finance guy, remember that he is just a math-club nerd,” one woman wrote after recounting a breakup. “This recession just bought everyone an extra two years of the single life.”

Another, though, seemed chagrined, after her boyfriend told her to “grow up” and stop “complaining about vacations and dinner” since he had to “fire 20 people by the end of the week.”

On the blog, the objects of their affections — and disdain — are referred to as F.B.F.’s, for Financial-Guy Boyfriends. Financial news is conveyed via a color-coded daily warning system: red, when the Dow fell 300 points on Oct. 6 (“Good night to have dinner with your girlfriends and do laundry”); yellow, when Warren Buffet invested $3 billion in General Electric (“Good night to hang out with your F.B.F.”); green on Jan. 21, in honor of President Obama’s hope.

Despite the seemingly endless stream of disparaging remarks and shaking heads, some of the appeal of dating a banker remains.

“It’s not even about a $200 dinner,” Ms. Petrus said. “It’s that he’s an alpha male, he’s aggressive, he’s a go-getter, he doesn’t take no for an answer, he’s confident, people respect him and that creates the whole mystique of who he is.”

Asian Dave
01-29-2009, 10:16 PM
YouTube - Gunther - Goldiggers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhafhLrFXAQ&feature=related)

Desmofemme
01-30-2009, 12:19 AM
hahaha i actually read this yesterday... sucks to date the trading room floor?

MOOCHER
01-30-2009, 03:38 AM
ha ha ha

chiquita100
01-30-2009, 06:21 AM
well, gold-digging bimbos of every hair color always whine when their cash flow is reduced.

Priapism
01-30-2009, 06:36 AM
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This whole messy ordeal has advanced my Botox start date by at least two years. Like every other DABA girl, the economy was wreaking havoc on my relationship and youthful good looks. Phone calls went unanswered, Hamptons invitations un-extended, plans canceled (including, but not limited to, expensive opening night tickets to the ballet, which were scalped instead of being graciously offered to me and a galpal), and so forth and so on. Until – the horror of all horrors – my FBF lost his job, which I guess technically downgrades him to just my BF.

Overnight, he went from unavailable to downright clingy. He wants to have dinner every night. By dinner I mean staying in and cooking as Megu is no longer in the budget. AND, FYI DABA girls – chopping vegetables along side your man in a hot New York sized kitchen is NOTHING like the sexy kitchen scene between Mickey Rourke and Kim Basinger in Nine and a Half Weeks. Seriously. It sucks. Anyhow, he suggested I meet his parents over the holidays and he keeps commenting that half Asian babies are by far the cutest. My take on his 180: having no steady source of income for the foreseeable future, he realized that his chances of securing another fashion industry type girl are pretty much zilch and so he is cleaving to me as the last vestige of his former high rolling lifestyle.

Thanks to the recession, I now have a completely devoted BF, which is exactly what I wanted. So I should be happy, right? Wrong. I’m bored and can’t stop thinking about my perpetually unattainable Euro ex-boyfriend who is recession proof courtesy of an offshore trust account. To be honest, I’m only with my BF because I just don’t have the heart to change my facebook status from “in a relationship” to “I ain’t saying I’m a gold digger, but I ain’t messin’ with no broke banker.”

k0ncept
01-30-2009, 06:42 AM
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heheeh lol!!


That was good!

bertocci
01-30-2009, 07:19 AM
Part of me never believed (or maybe didn't want to believe) that there were actually people out there like that. Wow, just wow.

HoolieB
01-30-2009, 07:28 AM
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heheeh lol!!


That was good!

:spit Excellent!

MojoNoGo
01-30-2009, 08:25 AM
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Was that in reference to the article or the subjects of the article?

Seems that many of these women hit their character limit when they hit their credit limit.

Pathetic...and rude?

Markbone
01-30-2009, 08:26 AM
words cant express how much i want to punch these broads.

HoolieB
01-30-2009, 08:27 AM
Was that in reference to the article or the subjects of the article?


It was a wonderfully funny bit of ironic coincidence, I think. :2thumbsup


Seems that many of these women hit their character limit when they hit their credit limit.

Pathetic...and rude?

The part in the marriage vows about "for richer, for poorer; in sickness and in health" must not have applied to these women. They're a pox on our gender.

Priapism
01-30-2009, 08:27 AM
Was that in reference to the article or the subjects of the article?

Seems that many of these women hit their character limit when they hit their credit limit.

Pathetic...and rude?

You have to enter at least 5 characters to make a post. It wouldn't let me just post the quote.

HoolieB
01-30-2009, 08:29 AM
words cant express how much i want to punch these broads.

Now, Mark, hitting is not the answer.








Pour acid on their Manolo Blahniks -- that will leave lasting scars. :laughing2

badmonkey
01-30-2009, 08:39 AM
words cant express how much i want to punch these broads.

And they would deserve it--but investment banker douchebags have been earning this karmic endgame since 1989.

triplestack3
01-30-2009, 08:45 AM
And they would deserve it--but investment banker douchebags have been earning this karmic endgame since 1989.

so BRUT

cookiebug79
01-30-2009, 08:50 AM
What's a "FBF" as opposed to just a "BF"?

I'm SO not up on my gal pal lingo. My chick card has been revoked a while ago :(

HoolieB
01-30-2009, 08:52 AM
What's a "FBF" as opposed to just a "BF"?

I'm SO not up on my gal pal lingo. My chick card has been revoked a while ago :(

:werd When I hear BF or BFF, I think of something ITB related. :dunno

Markbone
01-30-2009, 08:55 AM
Now, Mark, hitting is not the answer.
Pour acid on their Manolo Blahniks -- that will leave lasting scars. :laughing2

youre awesome! thx for reminding me i totally forgot thats the RIGHT way to do it :boink

And they would deserve it--but investment banker douchebags have been earning this karmic endgame since 1989.

:werd
:werd When I hear BF or BFF, I think of something ITB related. :dunno


:lol7

/J/
01-30-2009, 08:56 AM
These girls are SO awesome! I really, really want a few!

badmonkey
01-30-2009, 09:08 AM
These girls are SO awesome! I really, really want a few!

well, i bet they're hot--or at the very least, freaky west village bitches who'll def let you PIITB

Markbone
01-30-2009, 09:13 AM
well, i bet they're hot--or at the very least, freaky west village bitches who'll def let you PIITB


where do i sign up?

badmonkey
01-30-2009, 09:17 AM
where do i sign up?

Well apparently, being an investment banker won't work. I suggest becoming an oil tycoon or having a trust fund.

Priapism
02-01-2009, 07:26 AM
Um, fake?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2009/01/is_dating_a_banker_anonymous_f.html

'Dating A Banker Anonymous': Did The New York Times Get Punk'd?


by Linda Holmes

Sometimes, you just get a feeling.

I've been around the Internet for a long time, and I know its terrifying tendency to reveal unpleasant swaths of humanity, and I've seen plenty -- plenty -- that's worse than the Dating A Banker Anonymous site that's recently been a hot topic of discussion in mainstream news outlets like The New York Times (under, I should add, the truly revolting headline "It's The Economy, Girlfriend") and online communities like Metafilter.

I've seen little that's been more instantly famous, mind you, but lots that's much, much worse.

These women already have not only haters, but defenders against haters, and nobody had even heard of them until Monday. Oh, and they might have a book deal.

And I had one question.

Isn't it totally obvious that this is a put-on? Isn't it totally obvious that the "support group" reported on in the Times doesn't exist, that these are three women -- two writers and an attorney -- who figured out how to tap our deep societal hatred of the recession and hatred of privileged women who get away with everything, and to combine it into a big giant phenomenon that would produce so much instant vitriol that they would absolutely, definitely get a book deal?

Why I'm so suspicious, after the jump...

I want to say first that I don't know that this isn't real. If it is, then...I despair for us all, but that's a different issue. But let me tell you what's bothering me about it.

• The "DABA Girls" blog lives at www.dabagirls.com, a domain that was apparently registered on January 16, even though it has entries dated as far back as September. January 16 is a little more than a week before they showed up in the New York Times. Of course, it's possible that they could have moved the blog from a free address at a service like Blogger or Wordpress; it's not killer evidence. But they're pretty amazingly lucky if they ran this site for, as they claim, four or five months (the "It All Started When" entry is dated September 25, 2008) and then magically got themselves a shiny new URL eleven days before their publicity explosion.

• Why would you call the first blog entry you ever put on your site "It All Started When..."? Doesn't that sound more like...you know, something written after the fact to make it sound like you wrote it in September when, in fact, you wrote it in January as part of your elaborate hoax/prank/stunt? Who starts a new web site and thinks she needs an entry called "It All Started When..."?

• Why does the Times story make it sound like there's more going on in the blog than there is? Check out this bit:

Financial news is conveyed via a color-coded daily warning system: red, when the Dow fell 300 points on Oct. 6 ("Good night to have dinner with your girlfriends and do laundry"); yellow, when Warren Buffet invested $3 billion in General Electric ("Good night to hang out with your F.B.F."); green on Jan. 21, in honor of President Obama's hope.
Here's the thing: That "color-coded daily warning system"? By my count, the times cited in the piece are three out of the four times, prior to January 26, the day before the article ran, that it had ever been used on the blog. A "daily warning system"? Certainly not. There was one example each for green and orange (handy, if you want the paper to explain how you have different levels), and there were two examples for red. I assumed, reading the article, that it was some kind of regular feature. It is not.

• Where are their users? I can't find a comment on the blog anywhere that dates to before Monday. The Timesarticle says that about 30 women regularly post to the site; if that's true, they're invisible to the naked eye. Okay, so maybe they moved the blog on January 16 and didn't bring the comments over.

But look, for instance, at this entry, dated January 23, four days before the NYT made them famous. It's a story in which a girl allegedly whines and whines about her married boyfriend not supporting her anymore. It's a fantastically offensive, morally vacuous post if it's coming from an actual human, and there's not one comment on it from the period between January 23 and January 27. If there are 30 people kicking around on the site, and there's not one who would have anything to say about this? It's a support group, allegedly, for crying out loud. They don't talk to each other?

Similarly, look at this, their entry that was at the top of the site when the NYT story hit and their fame exploded. Eighty-nine comments, many from people who hate their guts. Some from people who think they might be joking; some from people who don't think they're joking and think they're funny anyway.

None -- not one -- from anybody saying, "I go to the meetings." Or "Stop putting us down." Or "we're just having fun; you don't need to call us idiots."

I hate to say this, but there's no group of thirty people on the internet where nobody gets defensive.

Don't get me wrong; I love a good Andy Kaufman stunt. My guess is that the women are setting themselves up for a kind of reality-show Confessions Of A Shopaholic book, real-but-not-real, and...whatever, they're not hurting anyone. Judged as satire, I think the blog is pretty weak and clichéd, but far be it from me to stop anyone from trying to be funny in dark times. And maybe it's real; maybe the Times asked all these questions and got perfectly good answers they just didn't print.

But this phenomenon hasn't been reported with a particularly robust degree of skepticism, probably because it's such a deliciously awful story. Spoiled, awful, hateful gold-diggers feeling sorry for themselves...there's an eagerness to buy into this tale, to believe that people are like this -- that women are like this -- that's disappointing. Because yes, it might be a tale of spiteful gold-diggers, but it might also be a far more interesting tale of women who know exactly what buttons to press, and what stereotypes to feed, in order to get themselves a lot of attention. And if that's what it is, then the boat's been badly missed.

cookiebug79
02-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Dammit! my heros... are.............. FAKE?


:(



I'm dragging my disgruntled ass back to hookers and blow...

Asian Dave
02-01-2009, 09:01 PM
So you're telling me there's some de(s)cent women out there?

Priapism
02-02-2009, 05:52 AM
Dammit! my heros... are.............. FAKE?



There are suspicions...

racerxlilbro
02-02-2009, 06:01 AM
So you're telling me there's some de(s)cent women out there?

Doubtful.